Can you get a job without a programming job without a highschool diploma?

Can you get a job without a programming job without a highschool diploma?
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#30

Cool! Just be sure it’s a good one because, believe it or not, you can still get great education in your remaining 2 years. :blush:


#31

Yeah but how does home schooling teach someone someone how to be social, make friends, have a social life?

Teachers are trained professionals, a parent isn’t going to match that.

School surrounds a child with friends, how to deal with bullies, and exposes them to real world and other people.


#32

@John-freeCodeCamp, those are common objections to homeschooling.

In the original poster’s case, he’s been going to regular school for years, so he’s developed social skills, made friends, will continue his social life with them. You aren’t allowed to socialize much in class, anyway.

His parents won’t be teaching him in this case; he’ll have fully licensed teachers in his online courses. But even when kids do learn at home with their parents as their primary teachers, the parents can be every bit as good as a classroom teacher. They give one-on-one attention, guidance, evaluation/feedback, while kids in classrooms often fall through the cracks when they’re not interested or having trouble but not asking for help. Parents who care enough to homeschool their kids find other teaching resources for areas where they might not know enough themselves to instruct in a subject. They get teachers’ editions of textbooks, join groups of homeschoolers, etc. so they have help and resources to turn to when they need them.

Most homeschoolers don’t just learn at home. They visit areas in their communities such as museums, farms, nature areas. They participate in sports and other activities. There are events just for homeschoolers. He won’t miss out on real-world experiences, even if he does limit his homeschooling to online courses.

The fact is, most homeschoolers learn better than kids in schools. They take a more active role in learning. They get far more individualized attention and guidance, whether from a parent, an online teacher or a community resource. They waste a lot less time waiting for others to finish the work or understand a concept so the learning can continue. They have to meet educational requirements, same as kids in regular schools.

(Sorry if this was long-winded. Virtual education is a big interest of mine, and the homeschooled people I’ve known have been very well educated - and are adept socially, as well.)


#33

Parents also have jobs, It would be a big inconvenience. Plus from what i know, homeschooling can only be 2 hours out of the normal 6-7 hours regular school day. Again its not any other child but himself fault if hes falling through the cracks. Pay attention and you will learn. Just send them to regular school, your paying taxes.

Most homeschoolers don’t just learn at home. They visit areas in their communities such as museums, farms, nature areas. They participate in sports and other activities. There are events just for homeschoolers. He won’t miss out on real-world experiences, even if he does limit his homeschooling to online courses.

Just send them to school. This is what they do.


#34

Don’t, Do NOT drop out. You’d be surprised how often I think to myself at 28, “I wish I would have finished school and gone on to college!!”

High school drop out checking in, life has been quite a struggle since I dropped out. Let me tell you, having your name on that diploma makes so many things so much easier, things you cant even imagine at the moment… You might hate it now, but you’ll hate it even more if you drop out and then have things not go as you’re hoping they do, or not have the results you’re after soon enough… Which will be the reality… All the “I did it in x Weeks” Are amazing feel good stories but they are not the normal. My experience has taken me two years to just get a footing. While working.

If I could go back in time and do it over I would Finish high school, get my diploma. Regardless of all the drama and things I thought were a waste of time, sacrificing then friends and partying, and fun. To get the studying done, to pass the tests. To get into a good school. To get the things I needed to get done in high school so that the future me would be set up, and well off now.
And since I had found such an amazing resource like FreeCodeCamp, I would continue to teach myself to code. Building projects and contributing to open source projects and communities, building a portfolio.
Then once I have my diploma, and skills that some people dont gain until after going through 2 years of college to get. I could take a year off and pursue some web development opportunities, or take my chances on entrepreneur ventures Like starting the business I always wanted! Or decide, Like I have now I want to go back to college.

Or make the worst mistake you can and go throw away 10 years to drug addiction, and working away in a kitchen, or as a landscaper… and then feel like you’re 10 years too late.
and be competing for jobs against the kids like you who will have learned this stuff for fun while they were in school.

But no matter what you decide, in the end I truly hope you will at the least finish high school. You have no idea the magnitude of the mistake dropping out because “You hate it”. would be…

If you do drop out… At the least, you’ll need your G.E.D. Or what I call my Good Enough Diploma.


#35

He’s in high school, @John-freeCodeCamp, so his parents don’t need to be home with him. If he attends an online school, his parents won’t need to teach him.

You’re right that homeschoolers might not spend 6 hours a day in class, but think back to when you were in high school. Did you spend all 6 hours learning? I didn’t. There was a lot of time watching the clock, wasted days as teachers reviewed lessons for the kids who didn’t understand them the first time around, being bored by subjects I didn’t care about. Better two hours of quality time engaged in active learning than wasting hours every day.

I disagree that it’s a child’s fault if he falls through the cracks. (By the way, I wasn’t referring to the OP when I wrote about kids falling through the cracks.) It is the teacher’s job to ensure that every student progresses, but when you have 20+ kids and limited time (especially if that time is diverted to maintaining discipline), you simply can’t coach every student to A-level performance. Kids don’t always want to pay attention, they don’t always want to learn, and often when they’re bored it has nothing to do with wanting a challenge. They are essentially in school because we force them to be, and too many of them graduate with a high school diploma more because they put in the time than because they learned anything. That’s a waste of our tax dollars.

Getting back to the OP, he wants to focus on learning to code, so he will likely put in far more than two hours a day doing just that, plus time for subjects required to graduate. He’s choosing a way that better meets his needs.


#36

High school prepares you also for a job. You can’t work 2of your intended 6 hour shift and wake up whenever you would like, just learn to do what your being told by a person in charge. A teacher can only do so much about a child’s learning, before its on them to learn. School is meant to learn, not for fun. I did wish they taught more useful stuff like programming and engineering, not a whole unit on the history of other religions that i really don’t care about (i’m a Christian). High school teaches you how to grow up and not fall behind socially. Adapt to being a young adult and prepare you for collage. 2 hours a day isn’t enough for doing papers in every class like in a real high school setting. What about relationships? Your Friends? Future colleagues?

Wow you are really good at writing and ELA it seems like. I feel like i’m auguring with a author lol nice :slight_smile:


#37

Thanks, @John-freeCodeCamp. It’s easy enough for me to write in a forum, not so easy in other circumstances.

I agree that most jobs expect you to show up and stay for the whole work day, but I don’t think that someone will be unable to do that just because he was homeschooled. It’s far more important to actively involve yourself in your education than to just put in x amount of hours of attendance.

Homeschooling, or online schooling, may allow students to choose their learning times, but they still must meet due dates and work under the direction of teachers. And kids generally learn to follow directions from their parents.

I’m with you on wishing schools taught more useful things, though not everyone wants or needs to learn programming and engineering - but those classes should be offered. Online schools generally offer a wider variety of courses, though students still need to meet requirements. So someone who wants to focus on programming will have more options for that, though some kind of social studies will also be required.

You mentioned being a Christian. I’d argue that it’s worthwhile for people of all religions to learn about other religions. It helps to understand why people believe and practice the way they do, and it helps us all live together better. Even if you believe your way is the only right way (and remember, people of several other faiths feel exactly the same about their way), it’s worth at least knowing something about those other ways. I actually loved my high school world religions course; it was fascinating. But if it’s not your thing, leave that course to others and take something else, like economics.

I agree that two hours a day isn’t enough to write papers. People don’t generally write papers in class. They do that as homework. And by the way, two hours a day of class time isn’t the rule for all homeschooled or online students. It’s more like what each individual student needs to put in timewise.

Studies show that homeschooled students generally do quite well in college. They already know how to apply themselves to their coursework. They are very well prepared academically for college - if they choose to attend college.

Again re relationships, most socializing occurs outside of class. Homeschooled kids see their friends after school, at sports, parties, church, etc. Future colleagues will come in college.

Back to your being a Christian: Many people homeschool their kids because they want to educate them from a Christian perspective. There are organizations and networks and vendors of textbooks that exist just for Christian homeschooling. The kids are not isolated; they often meet with other Christian homeschooled kids, developing friendships with other families with shared beliefs and values.

You may not like the idea of homeschooling or virtual (online) schools for yourself or your own kids. It’s not for everyone, but it’s a valid choice for others, and the education they get is generally very good.


#38

John,
I’ve known many homeschooled children and they are far from isolated. And, trust me, being in a public school or even a private one, does not guarantee that a child will learn how to deal with bullies, quite the opposite, in fact.
As for teachers being “trained professionals?” Pish-posh! I have to, once again, disagree. There are more horrid teachers than I care to admit, having had a few myself AND having heard horror stories from many others about bad teachers.
Here’s a point to consider, does a “trained professional” love you more than your parents? Unequivocally, no!
Can a “trained professional” give a child all the personal attention he/she needs? Again, no.
Is a child, if he/she is extremely bright, held back because the rest of the class is going at the prescribed pace? YES!!
Are extremist groups introducing these weird and unnatural ways of thinking that are, by the very nature of the pressure being brought to bear, causing kids to jumping on the bandwagon? YES!!! Have schools deleted art, music, and sports classes because they are “unnecessary?” YES!!!

In a homeschool environment, a child will, once again, have a well-rounded education. And, there are some really great homeschool curricula. If it gets to the point where it’s past a parent’s capability, then other arrangements can be made.

Plus, in social activities, that are scheduled BTW, you get to pick (mostly) who you will be surrounded by, friends - or at least people who will tolerate you.

If I had a wish, every child would be homeschooled.


#39

Ewww, really? Do you hear yourself?

Ok, so he made the mistake of saying he was “dropping out” of school. Sometimes we say things that aren’t so clear to others. Firstly, he made a link with the word, "unschooled."
If you had clicked (or tapped) on that link, then it all would have been clear. He wants to “transfer” from public school to homeschool. So, he’s willing to continue his education and FCC, to boot.

Why did I say, “ewww?” You’re making a huge assumption that he, not even maybe, but will turn into a drug addict! How insulting can you be? I think he’s awfully brave (or foolhardy) to put his thoughts out there, in a public forum, such as this. And here we are, chalk up another bully. Wow, please, please try not to assume the worst in people. He’s trying and doing a lot better than most kids his age.

Please be kind.

Mahalo!


#40

Bully for you on your update. BTW, I referred to you as “he” in some of my responses to others, and beg your forgiveness if that is not correct. :blush:


#41

Are you referring to @CaBra503’s quote below:

Or make the worst mistake you can and go throw away 10 years to drug addiction, and working away in a kitchen, or as a landscaper… and then feel like you’re 10 years too late.
and be competing for jobs against the kids like you who will have learned this stuff for fun while they were in school.

I think @CaBra503 was talking about an exaggerated worst-case scenario (maybe based on someone’s (@CaBra503 or friend) that “could” happen. I do not see anything in this reply/quote which says the OP is destined to be a drug addict.

Let’s keep the name calling and labels to a minimum here in the forum please.

Thank you.


#42

Though it seems all the 'trend, these days, actually I would not recommend that I one took a (very tedious) course in Philosophy, logic, and thought to myself ‘how on earth’ am I ever going to use this ? Well, turns out it is super important when looking at FPGAS, or knowing what a ‘truth table’ is.

I was really shocked, I knew this stuff.

You can probably get a job. but it won’t teach you much about ‘life’.

I know they say ‘fail fast, fail hard’, but that is only for the ‘dummies’, or those who got ‘really lucky’-- I would not bench it as a truth to ‘live on’.

In my opinion, the best thing school teaches is Patience, in a world (reasonably) we’re never patient.


#43

Surrounding yourself with friends and a social life can help you make good decisions. “Hey i know my friend might be interested in this job, so ill recommend him.”

More people, more educational high school vo-tech programs.

Some people are not as lucky as the children you know. My neighbor was home schooled, since 5 grade. He is 21 years old now, and has barely recovered mentally from this. Hem was never taught to deal with bullies, being social, and making friends. A kid cant just be locked up in a house for months on end for homeschooling. Its not good stress wise (friends make you happy) and figuring out what you want to do with your life. Its healthy to get out, see the world.


#44

This thread seems to have veered off from the original question, and some great points have definitely been made on both sides, for either pro-homeschool or pro-high school. That said, I’m not really sure the OP is still around to consider everyone’s points, but I’ll put in my two cents anyway. :wink:

While I definitely concede that homeschooling is a viable option for some people in unique circumstances, overall I’m inclined to say that most people shouldn’t do it for a variety of reasons. I’ll grant that homeschooling probably provides a better education when it comes to the academics, but high school, and life in general, is more than just academics. Additionally, for anyone who intends on going to college as well, it’s probably a better idea to finish high school than to drop out, as college admissions officers tend to look at the entire individual—not just academics, but also extracurricular activities like sports, music, volunteering, hobbies, etc, which can all have a positive effect. IMO, anyone who drops out of high school because it’s “boring” isn’t doing it right. Plus, high school offers some crucial things that homeschooling either won’t or just won’t be as strict about, like the importance of physical fitness, and being rounded out with basic education on the essential stuff that every American citizen should know (history, civics, writing, foreign languages, science, math). If high schools only taught stuff that was “practical”, they’d be basically churning out students ignorant of their place in time and their community/city/state/country/world, and how could that be a good thing?

High school is also about the “sociocultural” experience to an extent as well, and it’s one of the most formative times in every person’s life to make potentially life-long friends, try out “dating,” and go to things like school dances and other school-related events. There’s no way that homeschooling can fill in for all of that, and I’d wager that anyone placing more importance on homeschooling for academics is missing the point of high school. Of course it’s not about the education in American high schools today. That’s what college is for anyway. High school is more for the experience of friends & early romances and other general life skills. If you’re not learning that in high school, then IMO that’s just unfortunate. Plus, I’d be willing to bet that most homeschooled kids end up getting the shock of their lives when/if they go off to college, while those who finish high school would likely be better prepared for that transition.


#45

Dont assume next time.
Speaking from personal experience.
Good luck to OP.

Good luck to you aswell BBs


#46

@John-freeCodeCamp, you just can’t equate homeschooling with locking a kid up in a house. Keeping kids isolated is never good, but the vast majority of homeschoolers are not kept isolated. In fact, for kids who live in remote areas where they aren’t near other kids/people, it gives them a chance to interact online.

Homeschoolers often plan regular events for their kids to learn/play/socialize with others, and of course, the kids can see other kids after school in their neighborhood, at scout meetings, church, community center events, sports leagues, dance lessons, clubs, summer camp, etc.

Regarding learning to deal with bullies, very few kids ever find a way to stop being bullied. They get in trouble if they fight back. Teachers tell them not to be tattle-tales if they try to report it or ask for help. Ignoring the bullies rarely does anything but allow the bullies to continue mocking or tormenting them. Anti-bullying campaigns may be helping, but when I was growing up, bullied kids just suffered for years on end. Kids have occasionally been killed by bullies. Others have committed suicide because of bullying, and then there are the ones that bring a gun to school and start killing everyone around them after years of trying to deal with bullying. Homeschooling can bring relief from that and a chance for the kid to socialize successfully (without the bullies around).


#47

You really think with all of this technology kids are going outside? Online is nothing social, anyone can type.


#48

I am a homeschooler, and I agree with this. I can be a lot more flexible and spend my time working on hobbies I like such as programming. And I get together with friends every day and visit the public school for activites often.


#49

Some moderators have discussed this thread and agreed that, given the fact that the OP has updated the initial post to make the original question redundant, it is a suitable time to close the topic.

People have expressed some strong feelings about the pros and cons of Homeschooling leading to a derail of the topic. However since most people involved only have their own school / homeschool experiences to draw upon, everything that can be said probably has already.