Hi there! I am about to complete the full stack part. I significantly upgraded my skills in web development while working on the projects. Great huge thanks to FCC!
I really love programming, I think I can be good at it=)
I live in rural area. There is no job about web development 4000 km around.
How can I get one online? I tried upwork - and I think it’s still too early to start looking for your first customer there. But where and how to get that experience on my own that will make me competitive specialist… Have no idea. Guess there are a lot of people in similar condition=)
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Unfortunately, it sounds like remote work may be your only option. You could:
a) start your own company and bid for jobs.
b) try to land a full-time remote job on site like https://www.weworkremotely.com
c) do freelancing on upwork. I’ve heard a good idea on upwork is to find some friends or relatives to hire you for web work through upwork for a low fee so (assuming the work is good) they can leave you a positive review and you have that project to add to your upwork portfolio.
Good luck!
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Is there some reason to not move? You could probably make more money with a stable job in an urban area.
@dhcodes thank you very much for the advice and links!
@PortableStick unfortunately for now I can’t relocate too far from home I need take care of my old parents. Yes, definitely full time position in it company - it’s my dream. And at the moment -remote work is the only option …
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The cost of living can be much lower in a rural area. That’s one consideration. A few years ago when I moved from Miami to rural Florida in some ways it was like a pay hike (assuming you can work remotely,which is often a bit easier if you’re already in the door).
I am willing to work either remotely or anywhere in the lower 48 (because I love to camp) or to commute up to 90 minutes. (Which allows for at least 4 city job markets)
But I’d only permanently locate in a rural area these days. Gotta have my fresh air, sunshine, and wide open space.
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I don’t understand why people keep saying “remote work is your only option or you’re out of luck” to people in such situations (I’m one of them). How’s this? Can’t someone apply to jobs anyway, and move to the city where the job is if they get an offer? I know a lot of people who have done this and still do where I live.
Being doomed just because you live in a remote place and can’t afford to move because you’re still looking for the job that would make moving possible just makes no sense.
I mean, you live in a remote place because that’s where you were born. You still can’t afford to move to the more expensive cities where those jobs are. You’re looking for a job that would make this possible, yet you can’t get this job because you’re at fault for being born in a remote place. See? Makes no sense. It’s like the “I can’t get a job because I don’t have experience because I can’t get a job” circle.
That’s a valid strategy. I don’t actually see anyone saying that a person in a rural area can’t get a job, but the OP specifically stated that there are no jobs for 4km. The economics of moving do make it difficult for some people, and that’s just the reality of it, but that’s not to say there’s no way out. Some bigger companies will pay for relocation. I’d say it’s actually easier to get a job in a city you don’t live in than it is to get remote work, but I’d only be guessing.
Yeah, I don’t think I phrased my question accurately. It’s not, “Does there exist X where X is one of many possible reasons to not move?” but “Do you have some specific reason to not movie?”.
Here is a list of websites with remote job lists. The first one has lists for Full-Time, Part-Time and Contract.
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@PortableStick Yes, I know the economics of moving make it difficult for a lot of people, for me too, but I mean some of us need the job we’re looking for before we can move. All the time people suggest moving to people like us, when it’s plainly not possible unless we get the job we’re looking for in another city that does have those opportunities…
@jamesperrin Nice. Are those website suitable to people outside the US as well?
There are two possibilities:
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There’s a conspiracy amongst internet users to tell you things that make you really uncomfortable.
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Most web development jobs are in urban centers, so moving is a good suggestion.
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I see Authentic Jobs list jobs outside of the US. But, several of the websites lists jobs you can live anywhere in the world and apply, some say you must work some hours during a specific time regardless of the time zone you live.
I’m in a similar situation. The nearest large urban area is a 4 hour drive for me. My plan is to drive there for interviews, and look for a job that will allow at least part time remote work. Then, once my foot is in the door, I’ll either try to convince them to let me go full time remote, or keep an eye out for other jobs in the area. Living in rural areas is great for cost of living, but terrible for finding employment.
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@PortableStick No I’m not saying that people are conspiring to tell me things that make me uncomfortable, lol. I know most web development jobs are in urban areas. Thing is, at least for me, I don’t make enough money currently to move to a more expensive city. How do I explain this? Let’s say you have a really crappy job that pays a very low salary (minimum wage in my case), and you’re not yet qualified for better paying jobs (otherwise you wouldn’t be striving for a better job right?), so you have no choice but to do that job, or another crappy low paying job, doesn’t matter. So, you simply don’t make enough to even be on your own, let alone be in an expensive city. You need the job that you’re trying to get in order to make enough money so you can move. You see what I mean now? You need the job before you can move, because currently you don’t make enough to move, regardless of whether moving is a good idea or not, it simply isn’t an option currently unless you (and by you I mean I) get that job that’s the reason for moving in the first place. You can’t move unless you get the job, and as far as I know you can’t get the job unless you move. Isn’t there another option of getting the job first and then moving (just to clarify, I have no problem whatsoever with moving, as long as I know for sure I have a job where I’m moving for the reasons I stated above)?
Like I already said, some jobs offer relocation benefits.
You don’t have to, and I’m not sure why you think you do. It’s my life, too.
Thank you all for replies. @jamesperrin thank you very much for the constructive answer. @AmirF27 for now I am not able to move not because of money - I can’t leave home for long time, and the relocation options are very far from here(now I am in eastern siberia and I the nearest options for me Beijing, China or Moscow, Russia)
I think in @kurumkan’s case, he’s taking care of elder parents who would not be able to move. So, it looks like he may be where he is for awhile.
I like @dhcodes suggestions as options until he’s ready to move.
This is a good list.
Also, FCC has a gitter chat room called Coding Jobs. There may something there that can help.
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Also look up & follow gigs on digital nomad lifestyle; that’s essentially what you are - lots of resources out there, tho I haven’t looked in last 9 months or so, because life 
MANY companies are now going remote. Also look up non-profits in your area - they often need web dev folks because they are hurting for talent. Look at their sites or contact them. You could start your own firm if you can’t find long-term.
Lastly, make the drive to urban for meet-ups/conferences for personal connections & networking occasionally.
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Id say find remote jobs. in the JS world these are abundant, so it shouldnt be an issue. Good luck
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Thanks to all of you! I will try out the remote options.